XBox 360 won't support HDMI or DVI :-(

Mattinglyfan <Estoscacahuates RemoveThis @comcast.net (deez nuts)> wrote:

> From what I've read though, I may just hold off until spring of 2006 to buy
> a plasma and just stick with my Wega because what I've read indicates that
> 80% of the launch titles are not tremendously distinguishable from the top
> of the line Xbox titles. The exceptions being Gears of War, Morrowind and
> some other game that I can't remember because it doesn't interest me. I
> don't want to buy a 360 just to play Morrowind and Madden. I can't wait
> till they (the developers) get the development down so they can start
> cranking out the truly impressive goods. So far, those are the only 2
> titles that have blown me away. Full Auto does not look like something that
> can't be done on the Xbox so I don't understand why people are bragging
> about this game.

That's been my opinion about all the launch titles - same old stuff,
slightly better graphics. Nothing worth buying on release day, IMHO.

> >
> > Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
> > their new console.
> > It will hurt them if they don't.
> >
> >
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"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
> HDMI
> support with the 360 is lost.
>
> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI or
> DVI inputs.
> This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That is
> one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.
>
I was just reading the article on teamxbox and they stated that they may add
HDMI output later on. I don't think it will hurt anything by it just having
component for now.

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"Ollie T" <hello RemoveThis @hello.com> wrote in message
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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
> > HDMI
> > support with the 360 is lost.
> >
> > I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
or
> > DVI inputs.
> > This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That
is
> > one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.
> >
> I was just reading the article on teamxbox and they stated that they may
add
> HDMI output later on. I don't think it will hurt anything by it just
having
> component for now.

HT guru's are already frowning over it.
Check the forums for yourself.
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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> theOne <theOneOne.TakeThisOut@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>
>
>>awwww...you poor, poor thing...wait....
>>2nd gaming room?! I don't wanna hear it anymore boody! You're not right!
>
>
> LOL.
>
> Well, you have to admit, that's one way to solve the "too many devices,
> not enough inputs" problem.
>
> Hm. Let's see...knowing what makes a good home theater room, what would
> make a good gaming room?
>
> Seating up front for 4, wireless controllers, not sure if surround sound
> would be that much of a requirement, but y a good set of stereo speakers
> definitely would be.

not today's generation of wireless, that's for sure!
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SpanishTeacher wrote:
> Except those won't be launch titles, will they? I agree that the stuff
> coming down the line will be ridiculous but I was just going off the
> launch list at EB
>

your real name is Kyler?
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"theOne" <theOneOne.DeleteThis@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> SpanishTeacher wrote:
>> Except those won't be launch titles, will they? I agree that the stuff
>> coming down the line will be ridiculous but I was just going off the
>> launch list at EB
>>
>
> your real name is Kyler?

Shhhhh. My oldest son's is. I had to use his account because I couldn't
remember my gmail info.
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Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
>>
>>HDMI
>>
>>>support with the 360 is lost.
>>>
>>>I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
>>>or
>>>DVI
>>
>>**inputs** strike that.
>>
>>I meant to say "outputs".
>>
>>Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
>>their new console.
>>It will hurt them if they don't.
>>
>>
>
>
> Since HDMI/DVI output is only *required* for HD content that is copy
> protected via HDCP, and the Xbox 360 does not have an HD DVD drive, there is
> no real need for the outputs. HDMI/DVI for gaming is better than component,
> and I am guessing that MS wants to hold the cost down.
>
> I agree, however, that DVI/HDMI are must-haves for any console in this era
> of HDTV.
>
> -Sammy
>
>
>
you don't think a copy protection/DRM will be implemented that
would require DVI's encryption? with an xbox 360 no less that will
surely serve as a MCE extender?
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"theOne" <theOneOne.RemoveThis@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
>> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:QZWdnU5pHN7TYybfRVn-ig@suscom.com...
>>>
>>>>Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
>>>
>>>HDMI
>>>
>>>>support with the 360 is lost.
>>>>
>>>>I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
>>>>or
>>>>DVI
>>>
>>>**inputs** strike that.
>>>
>>>I meant to say "outputs".
>>>
>>>Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
>>>their new console.
>>>It will hurt them if they don't.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Since HDMI/DVI output is only *required* for HD content that is copy
>> protected via HDCP, and the Xbox 360 does not have an HD DVD drive, there
>> is no real need for the outputs. HDMI/DVI for gaming is better than
>> component, and I am guessing that MS wants to hold the cost down.
>>
>> I agree, however, that DVI/HDMI are must-haves for any console in this
>> era of HDTV.
>>
>> -Sammy
>>
>>
>>
> you don't think a copy protection/DRM will be implemented that
> would require DVI's encryption? with an xbox 360 no less that will surely
> serve as a MCE extender?

I think with the Xbox 360 acting as an extender, then all copy protection
services will be performed by the MCE computer on the network. The MCE
computer will *need* DVI/HDMI inputs to receive copy protected content from
satellite, cable, OTA, etc. After the MCE computer gets the content, it is
able to stream it to any extender on the network, in an un-copy protected
form.

-Sammy
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"Boody Bandit" < wrote in message
> Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
HDMI
> support with the 360 is lost.
>
> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI or
> DVI inputs.
> This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That is
> one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.

Cost effectiveness. Adding HDMI/DVI out still puts quite a bit of
additional cost. Look at similiar DVD players where one has HDMI out and
the other doesn't.

I don't blame Microsoft. The XBox 360 will mainly be used on SDTV's. Even
with the HDTV's used for the XBox, most will probably be CRT anyway.

HDMI only makes total sense when the HDTV is truely digital all the way to
the drawing of pixels (i.e. LCD). A CRT HDTV (with HDMI in) is doing D/A
conversion to draw on the CRT. So, it basically just comes down to which
has the better D/A converter -- the HDTV or the component feeding it.

I have a (CRT) HDTV with HDMI in. My eyes can't distinguish any difference
between using component or HDMI from the cable box (HD cable). The D/A
conversion of the cable box and the HDTV are the same quality -- at least to
me eyeballs.

I'm using the HDMI out to the HDTV though -- basically just to keep all
three component inputs free for consoles and progressive DVD player. The
combined video and sound of HDMI from the cable box is of no convienence
since it is feeding both into the HDTV. (I still have to have a fiber optic
cable out of the cable box to a DD/DTS receiver.)

Besides, I'm sure within the next couple of years there will be
composite/HDMI/DVI converter boxes sold cheaply. They are expensive now.

BTW: Anyone looking for HDMI and/or DVI cables for HDTV, check out
http://www.monoprice.com

Not affilliated with 'em, but got an HDMI-DVI cable there for only $9 (nine
bucks). These cables are a major ripoff at retail stores.

Cheers!
-E
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"Eras" wrote in message

> Besides, I'm sure within the next couple of years there will be
> composite/HDMI/DVI converter boxes sold cheaply. They are expensive now.

Er, obviously I meant "COMPONENT/HDMI/DVI coverter boxes". :^)
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> "Eras" wrote in message
>
> > Besides, I'm sure within the next couple of years there will be
> > component/HDMI/DVI converter boxes sold cheaply. They are expensive
now.

Woah. For fun, googled for such an animal. Had read in the past that they
were "not cheap", but assumed by "not cheap" meaning hundreds of dollars.
More like there is no such (real-time) consumer converter -- there is only
studio equipment in the thousands of dollars.

Pretty much means that the only practical way XBox 360 will be seeing HDMI
is with hardware specifically manufactured to take the video signal inside
it (while still digital) and putting it out HDMI.

Still don't see what is so "wrong" with just using component though.

Cheers,
-E
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Eras wrote:
>>"Eras" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>Besides, I'm sure within the next couple of years there will be
>>>component/HDMI/DVI converter boxes sold cheaply. They are expensive
>
> now.
>
> Woah. For fun, googled for such an animal. Had read in the past that they
> were "not cheap", but assumed by "not cheap" meaning hundreds of dollars.
> More like there is no such (real-time) consumer converter -- there is only
> studio equipment in the thousands of dollars.
>
> Pretty much means that the only practical way XBox 360 will be seeing HDMI
> is with hardware specifically manufactured to take the video signal inside
> it (while still digital) and putting it out HDMI.
>
> Still don't see what is so "wrong" with just using component though.
>
> Cheers,
> -E
>
>
simplicity.....and truly digital connection (i.e. dvi wrapped in HDMI).
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"theOne" <abuse RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Eras wrote:
>>>"Eras" wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>Besides, I'm sure within the next couple of years there will be
>>>>component/HDMI/DVI converter boxes sold cheaply. They are expensive
>>
>> now.
>>
>> Woah. For fun, googled for such an animal. Had read in the past that
>> they
>> were "not cheap", but assumed by "not cheap" meaning hundreds of dollars.
>> More like there is no such (real-time) consumer converter -- there is
>> only
>> studio equipment in the thousands of dollars.
>>
>> Pretty much means that the only practical way XBox 360 will be seeing
>> HDMI
>> is with hardware specifically manufactured to take the video signal
>> inside
>> it (while still digital) and putting it out HDMI.
>>
>> Still don't see what is so "wrong" with just using component though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -E
>>
>>
> simplicity.....and truly digital connection (i.e. dvi wrapped in HDMI).

Agreed. One thin cable compared to a three cable bundle saves a lot of space
when you already have miles of cable in the back of your TV. JLC
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