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narniafan

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:51 pm
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2nd Edition AD&D has a monster called the Hag, which
can cast extra spells when in groups. One of these
spells is "Vision." I don't think there is a spell called
"Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D. In first edition, there
was a 7th level illusionist spell called "Vision" which
was a risky divination spell. Is that the intended
power for use by 2nd edition hags? Is there a 2nd
edition spell which replaced "Vision"?

Or have I somehow overlooked a spell named
"Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:35 pm
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narniafan RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> 2nd Edition AD&D has a monster called the Hag, which
> can cast extra spells when in groups. One of these
> spells is "Vision." I don't think there is a spell called
> "Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D. In first edition, there
> was a 7th level illusionist spell called "Vision" which
> was a risky divination spell. Is that the intended
> power for use by 2nd edition hags? Is there a 2nd
> edition spell which replaced "Vision"?
>
> Or have I somehow overlooked a spell named
> "Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D?
>
> NarniaFan

In which 2E product is this creature found?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:06 am
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narniafan.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> 2nd Edition AD&D has a monster called the Hag, which
> can cast extra spells when in groups. One of these
> spells is "Vision." I don't think there is a spell called
> "Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D. In first edition, there
> was a 7th level illusionist spell called "Vision" which
> was a risky divination spell. Is that the intended
> power for use by 2nd edition hags? Is there a 2nd
> edition spell which replaced "Vision"?
>
> Or have I somehow overlooked a spell named
> "Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D?
>
> NarniaFan

The 1st edition AD&D illusionist and magic-user spell lists were merged
into the 2nd edition Wizard spell list. Vision became a 7th level
Wizard spell.

It's in Appendix 3 of the 2nd edition Player's Handbook (1989 version,
p. 187; 1995 version, p. 238).


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:55 am
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On 17 Jul 2006 22:51:29 -0700, narniafan.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:

>2nd Edition AD&D has a monster called the Hag, which
>can cast extra spells when in groups. One of these
>spells is "Vision." I don't think there is a spell called
>"Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D. In first edition, there
>was a 7th level illusionist spell called "Vision" which
>was a risky divination spell. Is that the intended
>power for use by 2nd edition hags? Is there a 2nd
>edition spell which replaced "Vision"?
>
>Or have I somehow overlooked a spell named
>"Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D?

Hag - AD&D2 Monstrous Manual, page 181. Identifies the spells Curse,
Poly Other, Animate Dead, Dream, Control Weather, Veil, Forcecage,
Vision, and Mind Blank as the spells that a covey can cast.

The above spells are found in the PHB on these pages:

Curse 162 <-- reversed Rem. Curse called Bestow Curse
Poly Other 161
Animate Dead 165
Dream 168
Control Weather 174
Veil 182
Forcecage 184
Vision 187
Mind Blank 190
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:52 am
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> On 17 Jul 2006 22:51:29 -0700, narniafan.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >2nd Edition AD&D has a monster called the Hag, which
> >can cast extra spells when in groups. One of these
> >spells is "Vision." I don't think there is a spell called
> >"Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D. In first edition, there
> >was a 7th level illusionist spell called "Vision" which
> >was a risky divination spell. Is that the intended
> >power for use by 2nd edition hags? Is there a 2nd
> >edition spell which replaced "Vision"?
> >
> >Or have I somehow overlooked a spell named
> >"Vision" in 2nd edition AD&D?

[snip]

> The above spells are found in the PHB on these pages:
[snip]
> Vision 187

Thanks to all who replied.

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