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wumpus wrote:
> Howdy shawn,
>
>>> BTW, 'steal' isn't a V:TES keyword with respect to minions, as far as
>>> I can see.

Right. It's just being used for its English usage here.

>>> I'm assuming it refers to any effect that causes control
>>> to change, even temporary.

Correct.

See also various powerbases, Calebros, Chronicle of the Lost Tribe, Dauntain,
Erciyes Fragment, Ethan Locke, High Museum of Art, &c.

>> Neither Temptation or Mind Rape are actions which steal minions. Yes
>> they are actions which result in vampires chanigng control later, but
>> the actions themselves don't steal minions.
>
> OK, so which actions do count as stealing a minion? I don't see that
> language ('steal') on any minion control changing card.

control-change = steal

> Or is it just that the direct result of the action must be for control
> to change for it to count with respect to Sound of a Breaking Oath,
> such that, for instance, Far Mastery would count (for an ally)?

Yes.

> If
> so, does Corruption work? It's not really the action so much as the
> burning of the counters empowered by the action card that causes the
> control change there.

Correct, it doesn't count.

> Are there any actions that cause immediate
> temporary control change?

Spirit Marionette.
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wumpus wrote:
> Howdy shawn,
>
>>> BTW, 'steal' isn't a V:TES keyword with respect to minions, as far as
>>> I can see. I'm assuming it refers to any effect that causes control
>>> to change, even temporary.
>> Neither Temptation or Mind Rape are actions which steal minions. Yes
>> they are actions which result in vampires chanigng control later, but
>> the actions themselves don't steal minions.
>
> OK, so which actions do count as stealing a minion? I don't see that
> language ('steal') on any minion control changing card.
>

Nitpick: Mary Johnson and Olga Triminov.

Sten During

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>> Are there any actions that cause immediate
>> temporary control change?
>
> Spirit Marionette.

Chiming in with a couple of corner-case ones.

Reindoctrination (spelling correct), Ayeela
The Manipulator and a few vamps with the printed
disadvantage (or ability if you prefer) to be
stolen.

Sten During

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Sten During wrote:
>>> Are there any actions that cause immediate
>>> temporary control change?
>> Spirit Marionette.
>
> Chiming in with a couple of corner-case ones.
>
> Reindoctrination (spelling correct),

.... is permanent.

> Ayeela
> The Manipulator and a few vamps with the printed
> disadvantage (or ability if you prefer) to be
> stolen.

Also Puppeteer.
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On Feb 5, 3:35 pm, "Orpheus" <orpheus... DeleteThis @DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote:
> > Ummm... what? I was just thinking that the above card is one of the
> > more useful ones in the set, most of the others seem a lot more
> > wallpapery to me.
>
> > When playing an ally deck, reducing incentive of stealing your allies
> > (and diminishing ease of them getting used against you) is pretty big.
> > The aus/dom requirement is hinderance, of course. We'll see if this
> > actually ends up being useful.
>
> OTOH, when you're playing Aus you can also just block the stealer and kick
> him in the face...
>
> Or if you're playing Dom you might want to steal the guy back, it's way more
> useful !!
>
> In short, I'm afraid that our local nobleman has got it right here.

True, up to a point. I still don't think it's wallpaper. Your deck
might not be set up to fight, and/or you might want additional
insurance. As for Dom, sure you can steal them back... but why not do
both (i.e. prevent stealing of your allies *and* steal theirs)? Sure,
if you're confident you'll always be able to steal it back then a pure
"steal back" defense is better -- but that's not always the case.
Having your own War Ghoul beat you up is a demoralizing experience

The thing is, this card lessens incentive to steal your allies, and I
see that as valuable for many decks, especially since the permanent
effect only required basic aus+dom.

Sure, it's no power card and it's only useful for some very specific
(rare) deck types, but I still assert that it's far from being
wallpaper. Time will tell.

//Petri
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Janne Hägglund <hg.DeleteThis@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote:
> > > Path of the Void [Promo-20080203]
> > ...

> How about turning the "discard a master card" disadvantage into an advantage?

> Such as, having a lot of Zillah's Valleys. In the beginning, bring your
> star(s) up fast. Then, discard extra Valleys with Path of the Void.
> (Or use Legendary Vampires, Proxy Kisseds, Galaric's Lecacies, whatever.)

Trophies!
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On Feb 5, 8:35 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus....RemoveThis@DEADSPAMfree.fr> wrote:
> >> Hem, what's the point of cutting trees and wasting ink for that,
> >> seriously.
>
> Poor trees...
>
>
>
> >> Arthur
>
> > Ummm... what? I was just thinking that the above card is one of the
> > more useful ones in the set, most of the others seem a lot more
> > wallpapery to me.
>
> > When playing an ally deck, reducing incentive of stealing your allies
> > (and diminishing ease of them getting used against you) is pretty big.
> > The aus/dom requirement is hinderance, of course. We'll see if this
> > actually ends up being useful.
>
> OTOH, when you're playing Aus you can also just block the stealer and kick
> him in the face...

You can still do that ... It is just that you are more likely to be
successful if you only have to worry about your predator or prey
making the try, rather than some cross-table dude, who doesn't
particularly want to hurt you, but just thinks it would be real nice
to have Muddles for himself, and just can't resist the urge to play
the Far Mastery card he put in his deck.

> Or if you're playing Dom you might want to steal the guy back, it's way more
> useful !!

You might. But, unlike Far Mastery, one can get this new card out of
one's hand and onto the table. One need not leave it to clog one's
hand, while one waits to see it one will eventually need it.

Moreover, Far Mastery will not recover a BURNED minion, like some
Obeah or Necromancy cards can. Hence, the above protection works far
better with the latter strategy.
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"The Lasombra" <TheLasombra.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=checklist_Promos
> Nergal [Promo-20080203]
> Cardtype: Vampire
> Clan: Baali
> Level: Advanced
> Group: 5
> Capacity: 10
> Discipline: AUS DAI FOR OBF PRE THA
> Independent: Reaction cards cost an additional blood when Nergal is
> acting. Once each action, Nergal may burn 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
> Infernal.
> Artist: Ron Lemon
>

Apparently Nobody caught this error.

But I have never found a means of playing reaction cards when I was
activing.

Perhaps there is a typo here?

Raille
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Raille <raille DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> "The Lasombra" <TheLasombra DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6pcfq3l03lbltimpn95fa48u55rp78qf4d@4ax.com...
> > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=checklist_Promos
> > Nergal [Promo-20080203]
> > Cardtype: Vampire
> > Clan: Baali
> > Level: Advanced
> > Group: 5
> > Capacity: 10
> > Discipline: AUS DAI FOR OBF PRE THA
> > Independent: Reaction cards cost an additional blood when Nergal is
> > acting. Once each action, Nergal may burn 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
> > Infernal.
> > Artist: Ron Lemon
> >

> Apparently Nobody caught this error.

> But I have never found a means of playing reaction cards when I was
> activing.

> Perhaps there is a typo here?

No typo.
When Nergal is acting, other Methuselahs might want to play reaction cards.
Those cards will cost +1 blood.
It's a benefit, not a drawback.

Also note that it means that allies can't play reaction cards while
Nergal is acting (unless they are using their "as a vampire" ability).
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Raille wrote:
> "The Lasombra" <TheLasombra.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Nergal [Promo-20080203]
>> Independent: Reaction cards cost an additional blood when Nergal is
>> acting. Once each action, Nergal may burn 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
>> Infernal.
>> Artist: Ron Lemon
>>
>
> Apparently Nobody caught this error.
>
> But I have never found a means of playing reaction cards when I was
> activing.
>
> Perhaps there is a typo here?

Besides activing and the capitalization on Nobody, no.

It is conceivable that there are minions who wish to play reaction cards when
Nergal is acting, even if Nergal himself is not able to play them.
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"LSJ" <vtesrep.RemoveThis@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Raille wrote:
>> "The Lasombra" <TheLasombra.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> Nergal [Promo-20080203]
>>> Independent: Reaction cards cost an additional blood when Nergal is
>>> acting. Once each action, Nergal may burn 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
>>> Infernal.
>>> Artist: Ron Lemon
>>>
>>
>> Apparently Nobody caught this error.
>>
>> But I have never found a means of playing reaction cards when I was
>> activing.
>>
>> Perhaps there is a typo here?
>
> Besides activing and the capitalization on Nobody, no.
>
> It is conceivable that there are minions who wish to play reaction cards
> when Nergal is acting, even if Nergal himself is not able to play them.

Ah.
I'm blaming reading these things pre-coffee.

Raille
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